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Aba · Sep 11, 2010, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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you gotta read the whole thing before posting, or do you read a few words of every post? hope not

re read what!??
Another 4 times....your just repeating yourself

Your examples of why you need another bunch of heros are not sound.
Ive taken the time to see your view but your not seeing mine.
WHY? why cant you use the henchie system and your 3 heros...
No example given in this thread makes any sense,

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having fun making the builds

Whats stopping you doing this in current game. Oh lemme guess you wanna make a Sabway/ discord way (heroway) but with 7 people! But Im confused you said this

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i don't like the current community, cuz:
- people MUST use certain builds (pvx builds)

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the game is dying slowly, and can die faster anyday,

This has been said since Guildwars has come out, lemme introduce you to another thread.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/guild-wars-not-dying-because-t10229521.html?t=10229521&highlight=guildwars+diei ng take a look on the thread start date, also if you do a search youll notice this has been sayd since day one.

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why 7 heroes?
i don't like the current community, cuz:
- people MUST use certain builds (pvx builds)
- people MUST be very good
- people MUST have certain items
- people MUST have Hard Mode unlocked

So you dont like the community, so you deserve 7 heros!?!?!?SIMPLE DONT PUG THEN
what makes you more special then all the players before you that had no problem with beating PvE with heros and Henchies!?
Why do you deserve a easier way out? why cant you toss henchies on with your heros,!?!?!?!? Everyone else has....

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oh, and another reason as bonus: as most people want it, like keeping the game alive as far as possible

Alot of Guildwars Players want alot of things doesnt mean it should be in game.
All in all, your posts give no solid example of why the game desperatly needs 7 heros beside the fact your bored, the game is old and PvE is to much for you.

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for me alot of NM stuff is hard, shouldn't think about HM

Sorry but This is just my thought, as your intitled to your own, but just cause you cant do it doesnt mean the game needs to be changed so you can beat Nm with ease

Lanier · Sep 11, 2010, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Aba

re read what!??
Another 4 times....your just repeating yourself

Your examples of why you need another bunch of heros are not sound.
Ive taken the time to see your view but your not seeing mine.
WHY? why cant you use the henchie system and your 3 heros...
No example given in this thread makes any sense,

Whats stopping you doing this in current game. Oh lemme guess you wanna make a Sabway/ discord way (heroway) but with 7 people! But Im confused you said this

This has been said since Guildwars has come out, lemme introduce you to another thread.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/guild-wars-not-dying-because-t10229521.html?t=10229521&highlight=guildwars+diei ng take a look on the thread start date, also if you do a search youll notice this has been sayd since day one.

So you dont like the community, so you deserve 7 heros!?!?!?SIMPLE DONT PUG THEN
what makes you more special then all the players before you that had no problem with beating PvE with heros and Henchies!?
Why do you deserve a easier way out? why cant you toss henchies on with your heros,!?!?!?!? Everyone else has....

Alot of Guildwars Players want alot of things doesnt mean it should be in game.
All in all, your posts give no solid example of why the game desperatly needs 7 heros beside the fact your bored, the game is old and PvE is to much for you.

Sorry but This is just my thought, as your intitled to your own, but just cause you cant do it doesnt mean the game needs to be changed so you can beat Nm with ease

The reason why I want 7 heroes is because it allows for more customization with team builds. Having 7 heroes would allow you to experiment with a large variety of builds and add a whole new element of strategy to the game. The elements of game strategy are part of what make the game so fun to me, so I would definitely be all for 7 heroes. Plus, from a lore/storyline standpoint, I think it would be a whole lot cooler to go around with a full party of the characters that you see in cutscenes. I know the personalities and such of the heroes far more than I do the henchies.

As you can see, my want for 7 hero teams has nothing to do with sabway/discordway (I dont use these team builds anyway...), making other super speedy and fast teams like the previous two mentioned, nor does it have anything to do with Pugs.

jazilla · Sep 11, 2010, 02:32 AM // 02:32

7 heroes will be REALLY useful though once GW2 comes out for people who want to earn things for their HoM in GW2. It will also be useful just for people who still just want to enjoy everything in GW1. That 3way the game is still playable for those looking to have some fun in GW1 and do high level content even if there is no one around to play with them.

Essence Snow · Sep 11, 2010, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Either way would be fine imo as long as they allow you to either bring henchies or 7 heros into UW, FoW, DoA, Urgoz, + the Deep.

Aba · Sep 11, 2010, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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7 heroes will be REALLY useful though once GW2 comes out for people who want to earn things for their HoM in GW2. It will also be useful just for people who still just want to enjoy everything in GW1.

Yes, making things easier, less difficult and dumb'd down.
Which is why I think its stupid and not fair for all other people that have done
there HoM,Titles and PvE in general and had no problem with the h/h's.
Bah im done with this topic

We are not going to get them anyways,

shoyon456 · Sep 11, 2010, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Aba

Yes, making things easier, less difficult and dumb'd down.
Which is why I think its stupid and not fair for all other people that have done
there HoM,Titles and PvE in general and had no problem with the h/h's.
Bah im done with this topic

We are not going to get them anyways,

Not that I care at this point, but I think you're missing the fact that you can't take henchmen into FoW/UW/DoA/Urgoz/Deep. This is why full hero teams make sense. This wouldn't diminish coordinated guild teams, because players who coordinate with incredibly OP'd PvE skills will always trump a hero's normal skills and terrible AI.

So for those who would like to do FoW/UW/DoA/Urgoz/Deep and are tired of seeing empty districts until there is a ZB for them, or until they can get a guild group to fill all the spots, a full hero team is a very helpful idea. It's not about making the game easier, it's about making all parts of the game accessible to players. Just because you can take a full hero team into UW doesn't mean it's going to be a damn cakewalk. Dhuum doesn't just bend over and take it ya' know. It'll still be infinitely harder to coordinate hero builds and AI compared to an intelligent player/guildie. It just gives players who would like the opportunity to do it, allow them to do so on their own terms instead of being forced to run a Shadow Form Assassin.

Even if it is only for "elite" areas now made a joke by SF, there should definitely be full hero teams. The other option would of course be to allow henchmen to go into these elite areas as well. The same rule applies that real players will always trump henchmen/heros in elite areas due to OP'd PvE skills and a greater ability to coordinate real players.

Yes it will make normal missions easier if full hero teams are allowed everywhere (something I am completely against since you already have henchmen in normal areas), but if it means making elite areas more accessible in the process, then it's worth making normal areas of the game easier. That's what hard mode is for anyways.

Edit: And just so you think I'm not doing this because I want an "easier" time. I've already filled my HoM, hit GWAMM, done all elite areas multiple times, and am done with playing GW.

Scary · Sep 11, 2010, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by Aba

Yes, making things easier, less difficult and dumb'd down.
Which is why I think its stupid and not fair for all other people that have done
there HoM,Titles and PvE in general and had no problem with the h/h's.
Bah im done with this topic

We are not going to get them anyways,

Rly, those are much as the lamest easy coments you can get.

You, you want 7 hero's...you are dumb.. you don't think, you only want things to be uber easy....
Good thinking m8.

Like said in the post above, there are area's you can't come with hench.
Besides that Pugs with other unknown people isn't always thet nicest time spending thing in " mine" already sparesome freetime.
More hero's gonna give you the chance to make builds which PvX get the creeps by. So much more fun for the one who make thse builds.

Its not dumb to have more fun in a game you know!!!

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 11, 2010, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Aba

re read what!??
Another 4 times....your just repeating yourself

Your examples of why you need another bunch of heros are not sound.
Ive taken the time to see your view but your not seeing mine.
WHY? why cant you use the henchie system and your 3 heros...
No example given in this thread makes any sense,

Whats stopping you doing this in current game. Oh lemme guess you wanna make a Sabway/ discord way (heroway) but with 7 people! But Im confused you said this

This has been said since Guildwars has come out, lemme introduce you to another thread.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/guild-wars-not-dying-because-t10229521.html?t=10229521&highlight=guildwars+diei ng take a look on the thread start date, also if you do a search youll notice this has been sayd since day one.

So you dont like the community, so you deserve 7 heros!?!?!?SIMPLE DONT PUG THEN
what makes you more special then all the players before you that had no problem with beating PvE with heros and Henchies!?
Why do you deserve a easier way out? why cant you toss henchies on with your heros,!?!?!?!? Everyone else has....

Alot of Guildwars Players want alot of things doesnt mean it should be in game.
All in all, your posts give no solid example of why the game desperatly needs 7 heros beside the fact your bored, the game is old and PvE is to much for you.

Sorry but This is just my thought, as your intitled to your own, but just cause you cant do it doesnt mean the game needs to be changed so you can beat Nm with ease

why did you mention sabway and discord, while i said: MAKING BUILDS
making builds from scratch, you still havent read all of my posts.... just focus

for me its a personal reason to make the game some easier, but isnt the nr1 reason, as i said
i explain once more:
i'm slow as my body doesnt work well, have absences (form of epilepsy)
and i cant concentrate, so i sometimes walk to mobs, which i shouldn't
this all came cuz of an accident years ago

^thats my personal reason^

and its not just me not liking the community, why do you think so many people left gw after HoM?
not just cuz nothing more comes, but also cuz of people like in the stone thread

also, i never said its cuz of me that they have to give it, its cuz of alooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of others too, that they would do a better job when they give us that (if you cant find those people, you really need to check your eyes)

"not fair for all other people that have done
there HoM,Titles and PvE in general"

look, games change, so if you do something with bad skills FOR EXAMPLE, like completing the game, and they buff those skills after you've done it, you cant get angry about it, as most people here (not just here) know that that stuff happens

why do you always talk like i'm the only one thinking this way?
several people left the game cuz of a certain reason which i gave
especially the reason "keeping the game alive as far as possible"

quote from an earlier post, just for you, Aba:

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making builds from scratch is what i'd do after i got used to 7 heroes, and after i tried other stuff with my team full of heroes
like for example.... beastmaster heroes, and see what i can do to make em more powerful with em

***the last 2 words are wrong in there, but i was typing and thinking at the same time, and thats something which also is hard for me since that accident***

anything else unclear for you? as anyone else understands me, it seems

there's 1 reason you skipped btw:
"cuz most people want it"
anet tries to make us happy, and this is something which will make us happy

ps. the reasons are there, so that they should give it to us, not that they MUST give it to us

Aba · Sep 11, 2010, 09:51 AM // 09:51

I had a whole crap load of stuff to type....but then I realized its not worth it, We need to let this topic DIE, We all know there aint a hope in hell of it happening and keeping a thread up is not gonna change Anets mind.

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I just want to emphasize that some of what John is talking about in the interview is not planned, so for example please don't go thinking you'll get 7 Hero parties in the future just because John says he is open to them. Thanks.

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"cuz most people want it"

I love how you know all Guildwars players.

Your a riot
But Ayuhmii Shanbwa
keep your dreams up, maybe one day ull beat that beast known as Nm

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa
for me alot of NM stuff is hard, shouldn't think about HM

bye

Gill Halendt · Sep 11, 2010, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Anet is a company. They don't refuse to do things out of spite, as much as they don't do things "'cuz people want them".

The development process is way more complex than people think. There such a thing called "feasability" that lots of people here are ignoring. Even if in the end the whole Live Team would publicly agree on 7 heroes being a nice addition to the game, that doesn't automatically imply that they have:

- resources
- time
- personnel

to do it. Sure as the sun rising, that won't happen overnight: they're struggling to keep up with the content already in development, and 7 Heroes is yet to even reach the drawing board...

So:

- Don't get overexcited: raising your voice will hardly help your cause. I'd be surprised if anyone from the Live Team has read anything past the first few posts in this thread. I don't blame them at all, it's getting repetitive and the best argument in favor is "People want it. Gimme."
- Don't get mad. If you don't get 7 Heroes soon, it's not because Anet hates you. Patience is the key now.

Yol · Sep 11, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Having read through this thread, these thoughts have come to mind.

-We asked for extra storage, name changing, appearance changing etc, and even though ANet maintained that they couldn't or wouldn't do it, we now have those available. Having a full hero team has been a long-time request from a section of the playerbase, so previous experience suggests that we shouldn't give up hope on it.

-Full hero teams has nothing to do with "dumbing-down pve". I'd be happy if they introduced 'hero mode', where players can have a full hero team (outside of the areas where party size is limited to 4) but the baddies are 2 or 3 levels higher than in hard mode. Anything accomplished in hero mode counts towards hard mode title tracks.

-What's wrong with wanting to do areas like UW and FoW on your own with a properly set-up full hero team? Not everyone likes the speed-clear mentality or the prospect of relying on PUGs of dubious quality, and not everyone has access to multiple accounts or the ability to run multiple accounts together.

Demon's Dance · Sep 11, 2010, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Although I have couple of builds in mind,I am not going to cry for implementing 7 heroes.
Except for 1 mission in Nightfall,1 in Factions,SE in hm everything is doable with 3 heroes(spirit spammer,MM?,ranger/paragon for chants) (and 2-4 dumb... uhh henchmen).It is not hard it is ANNOYING:melees' suicidal instinct,casting healing/res in fire trap,healing minions/casting enchantments while retreating,sitting (and j***ing off) under the Firestorm/RoJ/...Giving AI more I will make me just as happy as if I have 7 heroes(it's 'just' changing priorities).

Xydrych · Sep 11, 2010, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Should be a good read.

Burst Cancel · Sep 11, 2010, 05:06 PM // 17:06

The argument that hero teams are overpowered is, and always has been, complete bullshit. Heroes are inherently weaker than human players in the vast majority of roles; they don't have access to PvE skills and the AI isn't capable of playing any of the best meta builds. Any kind of FW/UW/DoA heroway is still glaringly inferior compared to even PuG SC or Glaivespike teams. Thus, the complaint that 7-hero teams would be overpowered ignores the fact that an even stronger option already exists.

Full hero teams solve the problem of inconvenience, in a game with a shrinking playerbase. In terms of effectiveness, a human team running overpowered meta builds filled to the brim with PvE skills is inarguably superior, but most people don't have time or desire to stand around in DoA or ToA for half an hour looking for teams. In the case of campaign missions or other obscure areas, the situation is even more bleak; in most instances it is no longer practically feasible to wait for PuG teams, and even many PvE guilds have transitioned to doing high-end content exclusively. The idea that players should be punished just because nobody else happens to be doing the same mission or area at the same time is idiotic on its face and has nothing to do with how hard the game is or how skilled the players are.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 11, 2010, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Aba

I had a whole crap load of stuff to type....but then I realized its not worth it, We need to let this topic DIE, We all know there aint a hope in hell of it happening and keeping a thread up is not gonna change Anets mind.

I love how you know all Guildwars players.

Your a riot
But Ayuhmii Shanbwa
keep your dreams up, maybe one day ull beat that beast known as Nm

bye

if you dont like this topic, why still reading AND replying?

and i dont know all gw players, but most of the ones i see (in gw and forums) like to have a full hero team

and as i see, Yol gave the points where anet does listen
i wanted to take charr bags and charr salvage kits as examples, but more storage and appearance changes were asked for too.... by fans like us

and Gill, you are talking like you know exactly what anet does, and what they wont
afraid you dont know about that, sry

like:
7 Heroes is yet to even reach the drawing board...

how do you know? they were talking about it already
maybe it's in their plans, and i hope so, so just wait for THEM (Arenanet) to tell us what they will and what they wont

also, to the ones who "know" they wont do it, show where Anet said that
it wasnt in the planning when regina said so, but that doesnt mean it still isnt, it COULD BE

NerfHerder · Sep 11, 2010, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

The argument that hero teams are overpowered is, and always has been, complete bullshit. Heroes are inherently weaker than human players in the vast majority of roles; they don't have access to PvE skills and the AI isn't capable of playing any of the best meta builds. Any kind of FW/UW/DoA heroway is still glaringly inferior compared to even PuG SC or Glaivespike teams. Thus, the complaint that 7-hero teams would be overpowered ignores the fact that an even stronger option already exists.

Full hero teams solve the problem of inconvenience, in a game with a shrinking playerbase. In terms of effectiveness, a human team running overpowered meta builds filled to the brim with PvE skills is inarguably superior, but most people don't have time or desire to stand around in DoA or ToA for half an hour looking for teams. In the case of campaign missions or other obscure areas, the situation is even more bleak; in most instances it is no longer practically feasible to wait for PuG teams, and even many PvE guilds have transitioned to doing high-end content exclusively. The idea that players should be punished just because nobody else happens to be doing the same mission or area at the same time is idiotic on its face and has nothing to do with how hard the game is or how skilled the players are.

Well said. I dont understand how opponents of 7 heros arent crying about 2 players and 6 heros. 2 players and 6 heros will always have the potential to be more powerful than one player and 7 heros.

To me, 7 heros is more about convenience and adding some much needed flavor back into GW.

Aba · Sep 11, 2010, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Mussst Nooot pooost.....cannnt hooold baccck

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were asked for too.... by fans like us

And I guess that where I have a problem with this,
your the exact example of players that do non stop QQ'n in forums demanding something from someone who owes you nothing.Ya its great Anet listens to us and all the blah blah blah blah, but some of you forget THEY DONT NEED TO. Anyways
Maybe its just me who thinks the game with H/H are fine as is and making it more simple is not the way to go. I like a challenge(even though PvE isnt much of one atm)but why do we need this?

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Full hero teams solve the problem of inconvenience, in a game with a shrinking playerbase.

And my answer is what the hell is wrong with H/H situation now?
Whats stopping you from doing it with H/H as we speak. For Uw/Fow/Urgoz and all other elite areas???ok I understand that

that reason makes perfect sense
But from most of you I say its just about Vanity

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and Gill, you are talking like you know exactly what anet does, and what they wont
afraid you dont know about that, sry

Practice what you preach Ayuhmii Shanbwa
your in every page assuming you know all GW players and the fan base, and what they want.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 11, 2010, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Aba

Mussst Nooot pooost.....cannnt hooold baccck

And I guess that where I have a problem with this,
your the exact example of players that do non stop QQ'n in forums demanding something from someone who owes you nothing.Ya its great Anet listens to us and all the blah blah blah blah, but some of you forget THEY DONT NEED TO. Anyways
Maybe its just me who thinks the game with H/H are fine as is and making it more simple is not the way to go. I like a challenge(even though PvE isnt much of one atm)but why do we need this?

And my answer is what the hell is wrong with H/H situation now?
Whats stopping you from doing it with H/H as we speak. For Uw/Fow/Urgoz and all other elite areas???ok I understand that

that reason makes perfect sense
But from most of you I say its just about Vanity

Practice what you preach Ayuhmii Shanbwa
your in every page assuming you know all GW players and the fan base, and what they want.

the last part wasnt even to you, why reply?
do you talk like that in reallife?

i said with words i dont know all people in gw or these forums, how can i be clearererererer? (is a joke, in case you didnt know)

so you say that *having fun with 7 heroes* isnt as important as fow,uw and doa?

**having fun with their builds, which automatically makes em more fun than henchies, for those who like to make several builds for them, and try to combine certain builds with the rest of your team, making your own team, like myself

sounds weird to you, but games are to have fun, and a huge amount of people will have fun with 7 heroes as they can make more builds and use em together *7 heroes makes you having your own team*

i gotta rererererepeat (another joke, in case you didnt know) myself many times to make sense, why dont you just read everything well, and not "quote" a few words you dont like

i think this is my last post with answers to you, as you cant seem to understand what i say, and as you're the only one, i think i shouldnt go on
just try to read EVERYTHING and understand what i say, after that you can see why you posted wrong stuff with quotes

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7 heros is more about convenience and adding some much needed flavor back into GW

thats nice to see, yes, it'll give the game another thing to use for those who want it

i've made so many friends ingame which left gw a long time ago cuz of no new possibilities, so 7 heroes may bring some back, and let alot of people continue gw, which may leave gw earlier than with 7 heroes

remember, Arenanet started with this subject, and the one called John is open for it, so there is a chance they will implent this

we on the forums can say why we like to have it, and why we think it's better to do than let it die
we can give our reasons and thoughts
^most important to know^

in other words, i say what i think about it and why, not saying that i know they have to do it, but its a good move to make players happy
(and i've seen several of them who like it, ingame and on forums, not saying everyone want it)

in the end its arenanet who decides it, whether they make people happy/happier or not with this idea

Aba · Sep 11, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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in the end its arenanet who decides it

Awesome, you get it now.....
But no doubt you'll continue your epic posts

On that note glad to see the forums have ignore feature

Gill Halendt · Sep 11, 2010, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

7 Heroes is yet to even reach the drawing board...

how do you know? they were talking about it already
maybe it's in their plans, and i hope so, so just wait for THEM (Arenanet) to tell us what they will and what they wont

also, to the ones who "know" they wont do it, show where Anet said that
it wasnt in the planning when regina said so, but that doesnt mean it still isnt, it COULD BE

What leads you to believe the contary?

Since they definitely said it's not planned yet - and Regina confirmed this -, and we still haven't heard any news, I can safely assume nothing has changed about this topic. Nothing hints at anything different than that.

Also, again, I wonder if anyone actually listened to the Podcast (and understood something...): they were NOT talking about 7 heroes. This is one big misleading piece of information on which this whole thread is based. Stumme was questioned about it, he said it wouldn't hurt anyone, and then the interview moved on about other projects they're actually working on.

Again, trying to be realistic/optimistic. The current plans are rather extensive for such a small team already, so I don't think they want to bite more than they can chew. I'd actually be surprised if they can actually implement all those planned things - September was to see the launch of the Balance Update and also the next chapter of GW:B, which is supposed to follow the end of the Thackeray/Gwen story... - , let alone things not yet in the plans... So, even if 7 Heroes are somehow planned, it's likely a backburner project for now, and most probably postponed closer to the release of the sequel. Then, the implementation of 7 Heroes will become a top-priority, to allow people to keep playing the first game.

So, not ruling this out completely is being optimistic already...